It’s Just Good Manners Not to Pray

– Posted in: Bullying, Religion, Tammy Thinks

If I walked into a meeting and said I needed to blast Metallica for three minutes before we got started in order to better mentally prepare myself, people would probably think I was a bit “off.” They’d probably feel the same way if I requested some time to do yoga and then told everyone they had the option, but not obligation, to join in while I banged out a few warrior poses. Or if I suggested we all phone a friend and chat for a bit. Or bring in our dogs and pet them until our blood pressure went down. Or pull up some Minecraft on a big screen and let everybody watch while I play on a Hunger Games server.

We all do things to “get ready.” Whether it’s for work or school or a stressful meeting, most of us have rituals that get us relaxed, pumped up, or mentally in the zone. We listen to music. We exercise. We play games on our phones. We talk to people we trust. We drink a cup of coffee. We read. We nap. We meditate. We pray.

But we do all of these rituals on our own. We don’t expect other people to do them with us. Or watch us do them. Or listen to us do them. Or be there when we do them. It would be rude, right? “Bob, Mary, we’ll start the meeting in a minute — just let me do a few stretches while I listen to Justin Bieber*.” We would never expect another person to waste precious minutes of his or her day, standing around while we do what is personally and individually necessary for us.

Except when it comes to praying.

For some reason, it’s been deemed okay to waste other people’s time with prayer. I don’t mean in church or for a church event where people obviously go intentionally to do just that. Or your own home with your kids, where clearly you can spend every waking hour praying if you’d like (just, good luck getting them to hang around you at all once they’re legally free to leave the premises). I’m talking about praying anywhere else. And I mean anywhere else.

When a gathering of any kind — be it a governmental meeting, sporting event, or school function — is started with a prayer, it wastes the precious minutes of everyone who would otherwise be drinking a cup of coffee or reading or listening to Justin Beiber. I know this may be difficult to understand or come to terms with if you’re a person who feels strongly about your religious beliefs and convictions. I know you’re being encouraged to fight for your right to express you religion. I know the rhetoric is calling this a “war.”

Right now, there’s a case before the Supreme Court — Town of Greece v. Galloway. The short story is that the city council started all of its meetings with a Christian prayer, and two women — one Jewish, one atheist — felt like that wasn’t right. I don’t want to get into the constitutionality and legal arguments surrounding the case. There are people who can explain it more eloquently than I can. But in some ways, this itself case shouldn’t matter. It shouldn’t matter because there’s already a legitimate argument for not praying before meetings:

It’s rude.

So if everyone could just stop being rude — could put themselves in other people’s shoes for just a moment and realize that not everyone wants spend that 3 minutes of their lives on that particular activity — we would all be able to get along so much better. Of course, there’s always the alternative.

When it’s our turn to do the “prayer” at the beginning of the meeting, don’t be surprised if the atheists are all wearing earplugs and blasting Justin Bieber.

 

*My usage of Justin Bieber in this example was essentially a substitution for an old adage about how to gauge whether or not something is religiously offensive. People’s argument for public prayer is often, “They don’t have to listen to it.” Ask if hearing the same prayer with “satan” substituted for “god” or “Jesus” would make them uncomfortable. It’s a good litmus test.

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20 Comments… add one

Meccala November 7, 2013, 2:58 pm

Thank you for this! I absolutely could not agree with you more!

Tammy November 8, 2013, 10:01 am

Thank you for saying so! Sometimes I get a little freaked out writing this kind of stuff. You know…

acorporatewife November 7, 2013, 3:36 pm

I really liked Justice Kagan’s point: “Here a citizen is going to a local community board, supposed to be the most responsive institution of government that exists, and is immediately being forced to identify whether she believes in the things that most of the people in the room believe in—whether she belongs…” As for my take: it is rude to exclude others. It is rude to presume one is correct in one’s particular practice and bend to nobody else, ever. It is rude to believe one is better than another. It is more than rude. It is un-American.
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Tammy November 8, 2013, 10:03 am

I love Kagan. And you’re right — it is un-American. I just wish that people could understand the reason WHY it’s un-American. It’s nothing against their religion or Christianity or some war on Christmas. It has everything to do with wielding power.

Cher November 7, 2013, 3:56 pm

I completely agree with you. Fair is fair, and in the area where I live, it is a huge issue!! I would think it was awesome if you were using Metallica to mentally prepare for a meeting – solidarity!!
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Tammy November 8, 2013, 10:04 am

Haha! I actually got that from my husband. He was sort of on a rant that led to this. I should really give him half the attribution for this blog.

Poppy November 7, 2013, 4:00 pm

I’m not sure if I think it is rude, but I do believe it’s wrong to do in a public forum. Then again, people waste my time all day long so I’m kind of used to it. I usually use it as an opportunity to look around and scope things out OR get to the next level in Candy Crush. (Because that’s not a time waster at all)

Tammy November 8, 2013, 10:08 am

I agree — people waste my time all day long. And it’s. . . rude! Well, sometimes just due to incompetence. But praying before a meeting or event is an intentional act, not some accident or oversight.

Thanks for commenting Poppy. Really appreciate it.:)

Andrea November 8, 2013, 4:15 am

Such an interesting comparison! I never thought of it this way, but it makes perfect sense.

Tammy November 8, 2013, 10:09 am

Of course — I’m perfectly logical. Like Mr. Spock.;)

Thanks my friend.

Verity November 8, 2013, 11:17 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you. As I listened to the coverage about the Supreme Court, I found myself yelling at the radio, “Why can’t they just started the f-ing meeting?” Who cares if it is an exclusive prayer, inclusive prayer, sectarian prayer (what the heck is that anyway???) Just start the damn meeting, or game, or whatever!!!

Verity November 8, 2013, 11:21 pm

And, just to add more, because now I’m on a rant. It is rude. It is rude and why do I just go along with it? So many times in my life, I dutifully bow my head in prayer, or listen to the “nice old lady” behind the counter say she is praying for me, and say thank you. Smile and nod. Amen, sister.
One day, I am just going to freak out on someone….after so much just-going-along-to-get-along, I may just lose it.
And blast Metallica….

Verity November 8, 2013, 11:22 pm

Ok – what is that weird “squashed grape” looking icon next to my post???

Andrea November 9, 2013, 2:26 pm

I have never thought of this before, Tammy. And I’m a Christian who prays and who is asked to pray a lot. I have always been sort of uncomfortable when people say “Let’s pray” at times when I’m just not ready to do so. I feel like they are trying to get me to do something I don’t want to do, and my stubborn nature takes over and I barely listen and hope that it will be a short one.

I believe that my reaction to be stubborn against prayer is wrong; I was taught to be ready to pray at any time. But I was also taught to be respectful to others, and if that means that I stand silently while my friend (or boss, or coach, or pastor) prays, then that’s what I do. Because their prayers aren’t hurting me at all, and sometimes the relationship or my respectfulness is more important than me saying “I don’t want to pray right now!!” I believe that even though I might think it’s rude when others demand that I pray with them, I can only control my own reaction to their rudeness.

Although I would probably laugh my head off if someone announced that they needed to do a few warrior ones before launching into a fiscal meeting. Which would be rude.
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Angel The Alien November 10, 2013, 7:24 pm

I know… I hate that! I always feel so awkward. It seems that the law requires the non-Christians among us to at least bow our heads and fold our hands and FAKE like we’re praying… no standing there grinning awkwardly or texting your friends or pulling out your book of evil black magic to get some reading done!
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Cheryl S. November 12, 2013, 5:34 am

I love this post. I absolutely love it. You knew that when you were writing it, I’m sure. But seriously, I’ve never thought about it quite the way you stated it, regarding yoga and the Beebs. But it’s true. I’m an atheist, and partly because I’ve actually read the bible. So what about this, those who pray in public? Did you forget this part?

http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-5.htm

Rae Buchanan November 19, 2013, 8:50 am

Since I don’t pray, and am not around people that pray, I have not been on the receiving end of this. I do imagine that, if this would happen to me, I would be silent as I tend to go quiet when I am uncomfortable, until I have time to process the situation. If this happened again, I would know how to better handle it! I LOVED your suggestions of things that others could do that would be construed as rude. Warrior poses?, breaking out some dance moves?, that just cracks me up. I love this post, it was brilliant and brought a big smile to my face. Thanks Tammy!
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Teresa December 23, 2013, 5:58 pm

I wish the first few minutes of a meeting were spent reminding everyone of our common ideals and goals, that way it makes sense to do as a group and for everyone to join in. I had a professor who would start the class by spending three minutes imagining how the class could be improved and how better it would be with the changes. A few quotes from the declaration of independence before a political meeting or from the company mission statement at the workplace….

Nancy June 11, 2014, 6:02 pm

I know I’m chiming in late on this, but I agree — the whole public prayer thing really is rude. Not to mention exclusionary. I think acorporatewife was absolutely right to call it un-American.
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Tammy Soong June 11, 2014, 6:31 pm

Hey, chime away! I love when people find my older stuff. It makes me happy…
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